Title Trauma
Feb 23rd 2010
Madeline HunterMadeline Hunter & On Writing!
Today is the release of Provocative in Pearls, the second book in my Rarest Blooms series. It also marks the first time that a title that I chose ended up on one of my covers. This is pretty pitiful when you realize this is my 19th book. I mean, I know authors who have titled all their books. I have too, just my publishers have changed my titles to other ones.
I used to pick the title when I started writing a book, so those later changes bugged me at first. I had lived with that title for months. It was my book’s name. It felt weird to see it with another name attached to it. This happened often enough that I got the message, though. My titles sucked.
By about my fourth book I stopped thinking up titles until after the book was written, so I wouldn’t bond with it too much. I would have skipped it all together, but I had to put something on that cover sheet. I worked at those titles and even loved some of them. However, those did not survive either. I think the problem was that I tended to pick titles that made great sense to me, but I had read the book. To someone who had not read the book (like the publisher’s marketing director) the titles said nothing at all.
If I could just be removed from the entire titling process now, I would not be upset. Only it does not work that way. I still have to try and think of great titles even though the evidence is that this is overwhelmingly futile. My editors always asked for ideas and help, and it is my job to give it a shot.
My current editor (I actually had her for books 1 through 11, and now we are back together) likes to brainstorm when it is title time. We spend a few days trying to come up with title ideas that have zing and zip, will fit on the cover, will catch the eye, and will evoke all the things we want to evoke in what amounts to maybe fifteen letters of the alphabet. I shoot her emails filled with word pools, with combinations and variations of title words, with take-offs on songs and movies and all the other tricks. I ask my fans for help (and one time a fan did provide the title that was used.) It is pretty stressful for me.
My editor never says mine are horrible, but we never end up with one of them. We do, however, find a title. Or she does. The final title doesn’t seem to have any of my ideas within a hundred miles of it, but she honestly thinks our “brainstorming” produced it. I guess all my sucky titles help the good ones emerge in her head.
Anyway, with this series, we went through that whole process and somehow—I truly do not know how it happened— we ended up with a set of titles that we thought were very good, very cool, very apt, and also different. Well, except for one. The title for the second book, while it fit with the others, was “meh.” We got into that thing where you both try to convince each other and yourself that it works, really it does, but both of us knew it didn’t.
Then suddenly, in a split second of inspiration, Provocative in Pearls came to me. We both knew at once it was perfect for this series and this book. It was brilliant. I was brilliant.
One out of 19 is a pretty sad score, but I could have struck out again. And who knows, maybe when it is time to title my 38th book, I’ll be brilliant again.
Publishers consider titles a crucial marketing tool. Have you ever been drawn to a book by its title?
Can you think of a book title that you thought was perfect for the book? Can you think of one that made no sense?
Is there anything about the way romances are titled that bugs you?
I have heard that the word Duke in a title helps sell an historical romance. Are you attracted to Duke books?
Are you the kind of person who is good at things like titles? If so, can I adopt you?
In case you are wondering, the next two titles are Sinful in Satin, and Dangerous in Diamonds. If you are curious about Provocative in Pearls, you can read an excerpt on my web site There is a video for PiP there too.
To celebrate this release date, two of the visitors who comment on today’s blog will win a signed copy of Ravishing in Red, or any novel in my backlist.
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122 Responses to “Title Trauma”
Bronte on 23 Feb 2010 at 3:43 am #
Good titles will draw me my eye towards a book and make me pick it up but if the blurb is terrible (or non existent) I will not buy. I actually can’t see I think having the word duke in the title would make my gravitate toward that book, ironically for some reason I’ve always liked the work Marquis.
One book title I have loved was “See Jane Score”. It worked on so many levels. I can’t think of a particularly bad title but Harlequin consistently has some shockers. I tend to buy by author on that line and ignore the horrible titles.
Archer on 23 Feb 2010 at 4:06 am #
The only book ever bought because of the title was Cathy Maxwell’s In the Bed of a Duke so I guess the Duke this works for me
My bf shook his head at me when he saw that one.
I like titles that make me smile. Sabrina definitely has some good ones… Wed Him Before you Bed Him, Beware a Scots Revenge… I got a lot of stares because I read Beware on a flight to Scotland.
For some weird reason I’m drawn to the word wicked
Now that I am more familiar with certain authors I tend to just get their books without really looking at the title too much.
Kirsten on 23 Feb 2010 at 5:15 am #
Some titles draw me in and make me look at what the book is about. I really liked Julia Quinn’s: What happens in London. Made me wonder what happens in London. I also picked: The Madness of Lord Ian Mackensie for similar reason.
I noticed that I have many books with Scot or Highlander in the title. Yes I have a thing for guys in a kilt, and for Princes, Lords & Viscounts too. I didn’t know Dukes were so popular but I must admit they too are a favorite of mine
I think it’s the idea that a title makes a guy more interesting. The Duke next door by Celeste Bradley would not have caught my eye as much had it been called: The Gentleman Next Door.
Ordinary (boring) men are not really what I want to read about. I know plenty of them. I LOVE romance because I want a special Hero with title, nice house, integrity and sexy smile. All thing a Duke/Prince/Viscount/Lord/Highlander in my mind has.
Another thing I realized is that I have a lot of books that have something naughty in the title. Something like daring, forbidden, spy, dangerous, scandalous, wicked or pirate love them all!
I’m sure there were titles I hated or thought wrong but I don’t remember those.
maered on 23 Feb 2010 at 5:51 am #
I don’t think titles will ever make me buy or not buy a book. I only buy books because of the authors. On the other hand, I hate the harlequin/millsandboon titles with a passion. Why do they have the ridiculous titles?
LisaK on 23 Feb 2010 at 6:01 am #
First, let me say Congrats to your new release!
You won’t believe it but I actually thought – I think I even posted it at some other blog – that I totally love the titles of this new series of yours. Yes, I’m pretty sure I mentioned it when PJ and Gannon made a review of (for? Oh, I’m soooo bad with prepositions!) RIR. And I really love them!
Hmm, I absolutely think titles influence whether a book is sold or not. Usually, German romance titles suck (as do the covers, btw, but I’ve ranted enough about that already!) and I think that might be part reason why nobody wants to admit they’re reading “these books”. They are just BAAAAH and I don’t like to say them out loud, either. Whenever someone asks me which book I’m reading at the moment, I always say “Well, it’s about that woman, and she meets that man and…”. You see? I end up describing it and never saying the title because it’s just darn stupid! I like the English ones waaaaaaaaay better.
I’m actually pretty good in coming up with things like that. However, if I had to pick a title under pressure (like, when everyone’s staring expectantly at me wanting me to say something fantastic) I sure would have no idea!
Virginia C on 23 Feb 2010 at 6:04 am #
Congratulations, Madeline! I think that “Provocative in Pearls” is a great title. Why? Pearls are somewhat “prissy”, so to be “provocative in pearls” is quite intriguing! It’s a tantalizing, suggestive combination. A terrible title combined with a tacky cover has suffocated many a good book. That’s why book reviewers and book bloggers can really get the word out about great reads in need of a rescue! As far as those devilish Dukes go, there are quite a lot of them boldy striding through the literary world. For me personally, the “Duke books” must have an exceptional story line to capture my interest.
Laurie G on 23 Feb 2010 at 6:10 am #
The book blurb on the back is what gets me to buy the book. However, a catchy title will make me pick up a new author. Hot by Julia Harper, Talk Me Down & Start Me Up by Victoria Dahl
I like Deidre Martin’s hockey titles: Chasing Stanley, Just a Taste, With a Twist, Fair Play.
I like Christina Skye’s Code Name series.
I prefer simple to the point like Pamela Britton’s Scandal , Tempted and her NASCAR books: On the Edge, In the Grove, On the Move or Carly Phillip’s Lucky Strike, Lucky Break and Lucky Charm.
I agree that the Present’s titles are a mouthful but I associate them with good reads so I ignore the titles.
Freedom Writer on 23 Feb 2010 at 6:15 am #
I sure hope my writing career doesn’t depend on me coming up with a good title because I can’t think of any. I don’t know that I have bought a book simply because of the title. A title may have enticed me to look at the back blurb or open the cover, but even so I probably picked up the book because of the cover art or author rather than the title. Also having Duke in the title doesn’t impress me. A good story impresses me.
nancyg on 23 Feb 2010 at 7:05 am #
Madeline:
Congrats on the new book!! #19 – unbelievable!! I have to admit “Provocative in Pearls” reminds me of the ZZ Top song, “She Wore a Pearl Necklace”…
Whenever I see “Duke” in a title, I laugh a little – for such a small island, even including Scotland & Ireland, there is a definite overpopulation of “dukes”, especially eligible ones!!
The titles that did intrigue me is Michelle Rowen’s “Bitten & Smitten”, book #1 of her “Immortality Bites” series. and Julie Kenner’s “Carpe Demon: Adventures of a Demon Hunting Soccer Mom” – I laughed out loud at that one & put it in my cart.
Never judge a book by the cover still holds true for me!
“Traditional” romance – there’s the auto-buy authors who I’ll purchase if they named the book “#19″ because I know it’s going to be a great read.
For me, I’m not a huge fan of the “rip offs” of sayings, song titles, etc. Like Julia Quinn’s “What Happens in London” & Julianne MacLean’s “My Own Private Hero”. (bought & read both books, but the titles? bleck!). Harlequin tends to do that a lot. The publishers think they’re being witty on their “take” on the saying, but I just roll my eyes & think “whatever”!
LoriHandeland on 23 Feb 2010 at 7:07 am #
Congrats on the new release, Madeline. The book looks stunning.
I’m not drawn to books by titles since I know that half the time they don’t even fit the book, they’re just on there to draw a reader’s attention.
I wrote a book once that I titled Coach Mom, which was absolutely perfect for the book. But the publisher retitled it Mother of the Year. Gack.
IMO, most titles make no sense because they’re thought up with marketing in mind and not the book. Which IS one of the ways that romances are titled that bugs me.
I have had pretty good luck with titles lately. I’m not sure if I’ve gotten better at it, or if my current publisher is more open to the titles I’ve chosen.
Laine on 23 Feb 2010 at 7:14 am #
Love the new book. Preordered it after reading the teaser in Ravishing in Red … and waited desperately for the download link to become active today.
It’s 12:12 am Sydney time and I’m on page 70. And reading with a torch because my bedside light has died.
I read so much I get sequels and series muddled in my head. The connected titles Ravishing in Red, Provocative in Pearls etc make it easy to realise it is a series. A definate plus in my eyes.
Titles can make me buy a book … or not buy it. Humerous titles are usually worth a second look. BUT … I’ve learned to ignore titles of Harlequin books. They can be very misleading.
Apparentlly Harlequin title books with carefully researched words that sell rather than those that may accurately reflect the story. I hope other publishers don’t try this.
Lisa H on 23 Feb 2010 at 7:28 am #
I actually don’t pay much attention to titles. I buy 90% of my books by author. Madeline, I would buy your book if it was called “Maudlin in Mud”.
I bet I would have liked those titles your editors discarded, because I think most romance novels’ titles do not encapsulate the essence of the story.
One of my favorite plot lines is the Cinderella story, so I am always drawn to titles that indicate it might be a Cinderella type book. I am eagerly awaiting Eloisa James’ latest.
Lisa H on 23 Feb 2010 at 7:32 am #
I will say this, I do look at the picture on the cover and always lean towards buying a book where there is a man and a woman, the man is shirtless or has his shirt unbuttoned and is wearing black trousers and riding boots, and the woman is in his embrace, wearing a gown.
I know people refer to these as “bodice ripper” covers, but this type of cover indicates to me it is a story I will enjoy. “The Truth about Lord Stoneville” has a great cover as does “The Sins of Lord Easterbrook” two of my favorite reads this month.
Karen Rose on 23 Feb 2010 at 7:56 am #
Madeline, do not despair, or maybe we can despair together! I don’t think of my titles, either. I’m on book 12 and only a few of my titles have ended up on the books. COUNT TO TEN and KILL FOR ME. I also thought up SCREAM FOR ME, but for the book before it.
Most of my titles are very apropos for the book, but like you said, only because I’ve read it already.
I’m trying to think of a book I’ve bought for the title, but can’t come up with a single one. It’s more likely that a title will dissuade me from purchasing.
CONGRATULATIONS on Provacative in Pearls! I love the title and can’t wait to read the book!
TrishD on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:02 am #
Congrats on the book. I can’t wait to read it!!
Sometimes titles do it for me, sometimes they don’t. Like Bronte the blurb is more important to me. If the title doesn’t have anything to do with the book I don’t mind if the story is good. Most of the time when I’m giving a book suggestion I can’t remember the title and I’m giving an author and a descrition of the story. Case in point would be Goddess Karen R’s books. Give me the title and I can’t put them in order, let alone tell you if Daniel was “Kill for Me”, “Scream for Me” or “Die for Me”. But, I can tell you the main characters of the books and their stories in order.
I bought Goddess Rachel’s “The Trouble With Valentine’s Day” based on the title. I was looking at the book because it’s by Rachel and I would have eventually bought it but I did that day because of the title.
And I’m no good with titles… sorry Madeline.
Have a good day Goddesses! I’m off to take dh to have carpal tunnel surgery… a couple of Rachel’s characters are keeping me company in the waiting room!
Kay on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:09 am #
A book title isn’t the deciding factor in whether I buy a book. Usually, my eyes are drawn in by the cover art, then I look for the authors name and that is the deciding factor. If it is a new author, I read reviews or listen to chatter about the book. Having said that, I do have titles that I have liked over the years. Susan Carroll’s books usually have interesting titles. Something About Emmaline by Elizabeth Boyle is one of my favorite. And Kasey Michaels had a series eon’s ago: The Tenacious Miss Timberlane, The Chaotic Miss Cripsin etc., that I found amusing.
What irritates me are the lighthearted, cutesy titles, however the book turns out to be anything but lighthearted.
Debbie on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:19 am #
I’m with most here…It’s the title that draws me at first. After that, the description gets me the rest of the way.
I cannot wait to read this new series!
Katharine Ashe on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:36 am #
Kirsten, I agree with you entirely about why I read romance–dashing, fabulous lords! Hm… that said, I don’t think I care one way or another if Duke is in the title. But Gentleman doesn’t particularly appeal, it’s true.
Your new series titles are marvelous, Madeline, and the cover to PIP too!
Cathy S on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:36 am #
Yes, titles do draw me in. I recently found “Knit One, Kill Two” irresistible and the book lived up to its title — there really were two murders. I take my titles with a grain of salt, though, because I know they often do NOT tie in to the book at all (just like flyleaf and back cover blurbs — I try not to read them). I can’t think of anything offhand now, but I know I’ve brought home books because of the title and not finished them.
I’d be curious to know what some of your early titles were. I have read all of your books and wonder if I’d think your original title a better fit than the actual one.
Rachel Gibson on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:39 am #
I’ve only kept one title in 15 books. Tangled Up In You. My publisher asks for titles, I give them a bunch and they don’t use any of them because they don’t sound like “a Rachel Gibson book.” I’m a sucker for any book with the word redemption in it.
Michelle B on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:41 am #
I remember a few years ago my book club in Montana chose the book, “Even Cowgirls Get the Blues”. It was chosen purely for the title. Sounded fun, but really this book’s author must have been taking “meds” while he was writing it. (by Tom Robbins, 1976) I was not amused.
Like most of you I choose my books by the author, but once in a while a title will intrigue me. I love cover art too, and if the summary grabs me as well, I’ll give it a shot.
Congratulations on your new release! I’m going to look for it today. Don’t feel bad about the naming process, Madeline, after all, editors have to have something creative to do.
Gale alure on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:42 am #
I agree. The title of a book is very important. However, I think the author should create the title since the author created the book (story). I have had the title of a novel intrigue me. And some have turned me off! So it is an important thing.
I must win “Ravishing in Red”. My husband always tells me I am “ravishing in red”. Lol
And by the way – I love this blog. It is really a cute idea.
GL
CrystalGB on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:44 am #
A catchy title will catch my eye and get me to pick up a book to see what is about. I love the titles Raving in Red and Provocative in Pearls.
Michelle B on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:44 am #
Because there are so many “Duke” titles out there, I tend to overlook them in an author I don’t know.
Gannon on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:48 am #
I love the title, Madeline, no matter who thought of it!
I don’t particularly care if the word ‘Duke’ is in the title, although there are some great books that do.
I like books that play on movie or song titles, like some by our own K-Hawk: Sleepless in Scotland and The Laird Who Loved Me. Julia Quinn does the same: The Duke and I, The Viscount Who Loved Me…
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:50 am #
Bronte, we don’t control the blurbs on the back either. Although I’ve had a lot more successful input on those than on titles. I have rewritten a few, or pointed out that the blurb truly did not match the story accurately (I know there is a view that says just get it sold, but I think it should be in the ball park of the story, you know?) So normally my suggestions are taken on the blurbs.
Archer, Sabrina is in deed deadline mode, but maybe she will stop by and tell us if those great titles were hers. If so, I am soooooo envious. I agree she has had some really great ones.
Kirsten, you are a publisher’s dream! Really. You respond to the key words that they hope will catch a reader’s eye.
Amy on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:52 am #
Congrats on the new release! I can’t wait to pick up my copy!
I usually won’t buy a book because of a title, but there are certain words that draw my eye, two that come to mind are wicked and dangerous. The first thing I usually look at is the artwork on the cover, if it looks kind of cheesy I won’t pick up the book. Then there are my auto buy authors, and I will purchase those books no matter what.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:55 am #
maered– no comment on some of the Harlequin titles
But it seems the ones I blink hard at sell like hot cakes, so what do I know? Those Presents in particular are scorching the sales numbers. So it looks like Harlequin has figured out something and run with it.
Lisa K–Thank you! I like these titles a lot too. And I have some German translations of my books. I have no idea if they changed the title— hmmmm. I’ll have to check. The covers are all very clinch, in an old style way (for us here). In fact, one cover was used here in the US for another author years ago.
kj coker on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:56 am #
Hehehehe*snort…It’s funny that you should be asking this question as the very first official romance novel I ever read cover to cover just happens to have been totally picked up based on the title.
It was in the wrong section and the title caught my eye and made me giggle. So I picked up The Lord of a Thousand Nights. I started reading it that same morning during my toddlers naptime and found it such a fun read that by the end of the month I had also picked up every other book on your back list as well.
**I know, it’s quite sad that I had managed to survive to the 8th anniversary of my 29th birthday before ever reading romance, always having been more of a suspense reader, but have found since then that they’re very addictive and can’t give them up.
Loving Provocative on Pearls, by the way.
Angela on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:58 am #
Congrats on the book! I pre-ordered it so will be reading it soon, with my cat’s help.
Usually I gravitate toward the author not the title.
However, there are some titles that beg to be picked up. Those are the ones that make me laugh.
Then I pick up the book and read the blurb on the back. If that does not draw me in back it goes to the rack. One time I picked up a book when I read the title and the blurb and it was a downer so never read that author again. Sometimes the words wicked, naughty, scandalous, provocative will catch my eye.
Generally I go for historical or regency romances as they wisk me away to another time and place.
ZedAitch on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:11 am #
Have you ever been drawn to a book by its title? Absolutely. Like “Pride, Prejudice & Zombies.” Totally sold it for me =). Also “And Falling Fly.” Isn’t that a great title? Can’t wait to read the book!
I have heard that the word Duke in a title helps sell an historical romance. Are you attracted to Duke books? No. In fact, I tend to stay away from “titled” historical romances. I’m a little tired of so many heroes being powerful Earls or Dukes. Truth is, there really aren’t that many titled guys out there, and there were a lot less out there back then. If all the titled heroes from all the romance books came alive and went home to England, they would crowd out everyone else and have no one to hang out with but themselves.
Are you the kind of person who is good at things like titles? If so, can I adopt you? I am brilliant maybe 1 out of 100 times. But you can still adopt me =).
Pesky on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:13 am #
I do find that the title can draw me in. However the synopsis on the back of the book is what causes me to buy the book. There is only one publisher where this is not the case.
*raising hand* Hi, I’m a Harlequin Addict, I’ve been reading them since I was young and they serve as a mental eraser when I get stuck in analysis paralysis for any project I’m working on. They never suprise me, I always know what’s coming and that there will be no twists and turn along the way. They prep me for this ride with their titling process…which is usually a long title containing all the storie’s elements:
The Virgin Stablegirl Mistress to the Sheik’s Hidden Love Child
C’mon! How could you NOT buy that book? You know it’s going to have a Virgin Stable Girl, A Sheik and A Hidden Love Child, and probably in that order too.
Madeline, doesn’t matter how nattily named the book may be, if the content inside of them wasn’t so faboo no one would buy your books over and over again.
Anne on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:28 am #
The Lady’s Hazard by Miranda Jarret was definitely one title that did not match the book at all. The book was quite good but the title didn’t do it justice. I also don’t think I pick books from their title, but their main color. I love red and dark blue, those will draw my eye every time. Then I’ll read the back cover and see if it’s something I want to read. Congratulations on Provocative in Pearls, it’s fantastic!
Julia London on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:31 am #
Madeline, you described my title experience to a T. I’ve had a couple of more picks than you, but they come few and far between, and its usually after days of harrassing friends to help me give my editor something to reject. I did, however, come up with the next historical’s title (out in October): The Year of Living Scandalously. It’s different, but we are hoping it stands out a little.
If they left me out of the title process, I would be happy. Since they changed my first title to Devil’s Love, I knew I didn’t have what it took
Amber Leigh Williams on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:34 am #
I notice more cover than title. I don’t think I’ve auto-bought based on title but covers do it all the time.
Freshechelle on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:38 am #
Any favorite author could title her book “book” on a plain white cover and I’d buy it. In fact, I’d prefer it because I’ve got hang ups about cliche romance novel covers.
I discover new authors through this site and endorsements from other fav authors on the cover, not by the picture or the title.
There are some historical titles and covers that I find so cringe-inducing, I order them by mail instead of walking into to B&N. I know I have nothing to be ashamed of, but it’s my thing.
Contemporary covers I’m OK with. In historical books, noble titles are ones that inspire me to e-shop.
Freshechelle on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:39 am #
Any favorite author could title her book “book” on a plain white cover and I’d buy it. In fact, I’d prefer it because I’ve got hang ups about cliche romance novel covers.
I discover new authors through this site and endorsements from other fav authors on the cover, not by the picture or the title.
There are some historical titles and covers that I find so cringe-inducing, I order them by mail instead of walking into to B&N. I know I have nothing to be ashamed of, but it’s my thing.
Contemporary covers I’m OK with. In historical books, noble titles are ones that inspire me to e-shop.
That said, I can’t wait to march into the store and buy P in P today.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:45 am #
Virginia, I don’t think I’ve ever had a duke as a hero yet. This probably reflects a perverse streak in me, or a subconscious career death wish. I mean, lots of my heroes could have been dukes without much difference to the story. Hmmmm. I wonder why I have avoided them.
Laurie G, those are all great titles. I wonder if the authors thought them up. Probably. I’ll bet everyone else is good at this except me. sigh.
FreedomWriter, well, you can rest easily, and hope that your editor is good at title is you aren’t. At least it isn’t on your shoulders (or mine).
nancyg, I read somewhere about how many dukes there really were during the regency period. It was really a low number, which sort of does make all our dukes kind of charming. There were lots of earls, though.
Brenna on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:45 am #
Congrats on the book, Madeline, and getting your own title! It’s a beautiful cover too. I’m much more drawn to the cover art than I am to a title. When a series is all named too similarly, I can’t remember later which one was which. But if I look at the cover, I know immediately “whose” book it was and what it was about – how much I loved or didn’t love it. That’s one of the reasons I’m not anxious to go to an e-reader… I won’t have that same feeling after not having held and handled a book. Anyway, I like titles that are unique enough to get my attention. I don’t like it when you hear the same title two or three times, or it’s also the title of a famous movie. Can’t think of particular examples right now but bottom line is, unless a title is really off-putting somehow, it has little effect on me. Maybe because I know it probably doesn’t have a lot to do with the story.
Which brings up a point. I spoke to a good friend this weekend who mentioned a book she’d read by an author we both like. The cover was sensual-looking, the title indicated heat, but the book was almost straight suspense. Although she said the story was good, she felt misled by the title and cover.
LisaK on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:46 am #
Madeline, I don’t think they kept and just translated the titles, but they better would. In fact, after having written the last sentence of my comment, I headed over to Amazon.de only to find that the German titles of your books are as bad as all the others (sorry to say that!).
Sigh, they never learn.
Yeah, the covers are still true bodice rippers.
Sigh again.
I wonder if some clever person will someday find out how bad all that really is and change it!
BIG SIGH.
Ka-Ro, that’s amazing – I always thought Scream For Me would be much more fitting for the book that’s actually Die For Me. I mean, the killer in DFM is fascinated by the screams of his victims but is there even much screaming done in SFM? The guys at the publishing house should have listened to you!
Linda Henderson on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:47 am #
The only books I will usually buy because of the title are sheikh books, I’m a sucker for sheikh books. A bad title will not stop me from buying a book. Harlequin Presents has some of the longest and worst titles, but I still read them. I just ignore the titles. I don’t buy for cover either, although I do appreciate a good cover. I will read the blurbs on the back if it’s a new author for me so I think the blurb being interesting is important.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:50 am #
nancyg, I sort of like the rip offs, especially when they were first done. I think Julia Quinn was one of the first to do them, and it was very effective for her.
Lori H, Your Apocolypse titles are really good, so your publisher is smart to keep them.
Laire, Thanks for ordering! I think other publishers ARE using those researched words, although the research may be more ad hoc than scientific–just a matter of hey, this Duke book sold so let’s use Duke again. That is why we see certain words used a lot. Or at least I do.
Lisa H, I actually like Maudlin in Mud, LOL. I think it is funny. I think you have a talent for this. M i M would have to be a spoof, but it would be a riot.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 10:00 am #
Trish D, sorry about the surgery. Of course all will go well, but there is that hassle aspect to any surgery, and also some stress and worry. My good thoughts for your dh.
Kay, I have never understood when titles are misleading. Although I’ve had one that I thought was, and 2 if I count some readers’ reactions. It wasn’t my fault! LOL
Debbie, see, the title is doing its job–getting you to at least take a look. This is why they don’t trust me with picking them.
Katherine A, Now, this is interesting, that gentlemen doesn’t appeal. Hmmm. I’m filing that away, since you and Kirsten have mentioned it specifically.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 10:06 am #
Kathy S, I can remember two examples of titles I chose that were discarded. The first was my original title for By Possession. My title was Love in the Shadows. If you have read the book my title makes sense. If you haven’t—??? In part it was discarded because of that, in part because my publisher was bringing out a series of books by Kay Hooper that had shadow in their titles, and in part because my publisher wanted my first books to be connected by the “By”. (More on this later)
The other was my original title for Lady of Sin. It was One Night of Scandal. And very appropriate. It survived through the excerpt in Lord of Sin, then was changed for the printing of the book. I wasn’t wild about it because I did not think it was a truly appropriate title, and somewhat misleading. I think it was chosen because Lord of Sin had sold really really well, and so, well, let’s try it this way. But what is still a bit bothersome is that it was changed so late. I still get emails from people who read that excerpt, and want to know where to find One Night of Scandal.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 10:07 am #
Kathy S, I can remember two examples of titles I chose that were discarded. The first was my original title for By Possession. My title was Love in the Shadows. If you have read the book my title makes sense. If you haven’t—??? In part it was discarded because of that, in part because my publisher was bringing out a series of books by Kay Hooper that had shadow in their titles, and in part because my publisher wanted my first books to be connected by the “By”. (More on this later)
The other was my original title for Lady of Sin. It was One Scandalous Night. And very appropriate. It survived through the excerpt in Lord of Sin, then was changed for the printing of the book. I wasn’t wild about it because I did not think it was a truly appropriate title, and somewhat misleading. I think it was chosen because Lord of Sin had sold really really well, and so, well, let’s try it this way. But what is still a bit bothersome is that it was changed so late. I still get emails from people who read that excerpt, and want to know where to find One Scandalous Night.
Julie on 23 Feb 2010 at 10:29 am #
Madeline, congratulations on your book release!
I’m typically going for the “entire package” when I buy a book — the cover art, title and blurb do it. I’m not necessarily reading the first page or anything else. As everyone else has said, if it’s an auto-buy, I’d do it with a plain white cover. It’s always interesting to me, though, what the art department comes up with.
I think the title re-purposing (“The Viscount Who Loved Me”, etc.,) is fun.
Duke books — I’m not sure if I buy them because they have “Duke” in the title, but my favorite historical is “Lord of Scoundrels”, featuring the ultimate bad boy, Lord Dain.
Again, congratulations, and I look forward to reading “Provocative in Pearls”!
chelleyreads on 23 Feb 2010 at 10:45 am #
congrats on the release of provocative in pearls!
i like alliteration in titles so PiP is a winner for me as well as RiR.
Not sure about the “duke” thing. i do like my dukes but i don’t know if i’d buy a book just because the word “duke” is on the title.
i like it best when a book title matches the story and it’s somehow worked in the book. an example would be judith mcnaught’s something wonderful; she used that phrase a bunch of times (but then again it’s a pretty common phrase).
titles do influence what i pick up and look at. i almost didn’t buy anne mallory’s book three nights of sin because the title turned me off (which would’ve been a shame because it’s become one of my keepers)–but it’s the blurb that wins me over.
Maureen on 23 Feb 2010 at 10:47 am #
Congratulations on your new book! I often forget the titles of books but do remember the author. The problem for me is that so many titles have some of the same words and with my poor memory they get jumbled up. One that I do remember and that is one of my favorites is Mrs. Drew Plays Her Hand by Carla Kelly.
jcp on 23 Feb 2010 at 11:00 am #
It only bothers me when two authors have the same title in the same genre. I buy online and check reviews, blogs. The titles bother me because they are embrassing but I don’t read in public.
Gwynlyn MacKenzie on 23 Feb 2010 at 11:04 am #
I’m so happy for you, Madeline! I’m sure PIP will grace the bestseller list very soon.
Titles are a pain, and although I’d love to be adopted, I suck at them too. My title brainstorming is always little more than a tempest in a teacup. It is, however, why I reentered the GH in 2009. Having the certificate from 2007 with the “wrong name” on it aggravated me. Yeah, I get attached, too.
As for the drawing, don’t include me, please. Let someone else discover your writing brilliance (others can be title brilliant, but write a great book? I don’t think so.) Anything on your backlist is already on my bookshelf (although despite knowing you for some time, NONE are autographed; gotta fix that.)
Gotta say, Daphne is the current character I find intriguing so I know her book will be the last of the series. You dangle carrots better than anyone I know! Still, PIP will be in my hot little hands very soon.
Laurie on 23 Feb 2010 at 11:36 am #
I was drawn to the title A HUNGER LIKE NO OTHER by Kresley Cole and ended up really loving the book. Some I dislike are many of the Harlequin Presents titles. I love Suzanne Brockmann’s books but I have such a hard time remembering her titles – for me they’re forgettable and I have to read the blurb to see if I’ve read the book. The word Duke does not affect me one way or another. I’ve been happy with a few of my titles but most of them are pretty bad.
Madeline, the titles of your new series are wonderful. They are catchy and memorable. Congratulations!
Carol on 23 Feb 2010 at 11:40 am #
I’m looking forward to picking up PiP soon. My favorite titles belong to Lisa Kleypas Wallflower series and Hathaway series. I like how they use the season and time in the title to link the series.
For contemps, my favorite is Jennifer Crusie’s Bet Me. Short and sweet but also perfect!
Cassis on 23 Feb 2010 at 11:47 am #
Madeline, you are the first romance author I had read. I had never been attracted to romance novels before, but one day a couple years ago, while browsing at a bookstore for a new series to read, I decided to try romance. I am not one who is lured to the vulgar, trashy kind of romance novels, which is the impression I was under for all of them, so when choosing my first book to read, I did go for the title. That is when I came across The Protector. The cover had a sword on it which also drew me to it as I love the medieval era. So, in that case, yes, the title is what lured me, but after reading that book I immediately fell in love with it and had to read more from you. I read every other book of yours that was out at that time in a matter of a few short months. I’ve even read two in one night, and your Seducer series I had completed in one week because I couldn’t put them down. No matter what title graces the covers of your books, I will always read it.
My most absolute favorite book by you, that had nothing to do with the title, is By Design. I know I’ve told you this probably a thousand times now, lol, but that book is the most perfectly romantic book I have ever read. I bawled my eyes out reading that book. All six of your medieval series are by far the best books I have read. I even named my cat Reyna, the heroine in Lord of a Thousand Nights. All of your books are absolutely special, but that particular series is very dear to me.
I am also not a reader who is attracted to books with Duke in the title.
Oh, and by the way, I may or may not be good at choosing titles, but you can still adopt me anyway. :0)
HAPPY RELEASE DAY, MADELINE!!
Janae on 23 Feb 2010 at 11:47 am #
Congratulations on your new book! I’m woefully behind at getting any new books because it just seems like yesterday we were celebrating the new year.
Titles generally catch my eye, but the blurb does it for me. Or doesn’t. I’ve read some blurbs that absolutely didn’t go with the book. I recently stopped reading a book because the story didn’t really fit the back cover, and it was a depressing story. In the past I wouldn’t have stopped reading a book, but now I figure I’ve only got so much time to read that I can’t waste it on books that aren’t entertaining me. Julia Quinn and Karen Hawkins have some very clever titles. Generally speaking, I don’t pick up a book because it has duke in it. Although, I’ve read some great books with duke in the title. Only a Duke Will Do definitely comes to mind.
Covers. I’ll look at the covers, but I’m not a big fan of the bodice ripper covers. It’s like it’s too overt or something. I like something more subtle. However, if a book with a bodice ripper cover sounds good, I’ll order it online. I love the covers you have for Ravishing in Red and Provocative in Pearls – great titles, too.
Cassis on 23 Feb 2010 at 11:55 am #
In response to your title for By Possession; I think it fits very well. I can’t imagine it being titled anything other than it is. By Possession, By Design and By Arrangement, I thought, were very fitting titles and compliment the books very well.
I remember Lady of Sin originally being titled One Night of Scandal. When it came time for me to read that book, I had originally been looking for that title as I hadn’t known it has been changed since I didn’t read the book until it was already out, so there I was looking for a title that didn’t even exist. Lol.
Cassis on 23 Feb 2010 at 11:55 am #
In response to your title for By Possession; I think it fits very well. I can’t imagine it being titled anything other than it is. By Possession, By Design and By Arrangement, I thought, were very fitting titles and compliment the books very well.
I remember Lady of Sin originally being titled One Night of Scandal. When it came time for me to read that book, I had originally been looking for that title as I hadn’t known it had been changed since I didn’t read the book until it was already out, so there I was looking for a title that didn’t even exist. Lol.
Cassie on 23 Feb 2010 at 11:57 am #
Sorry about posting my last comment twice. And I just realized I was spelling my own name wrong. Hahaha.
Rosie on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:12 pm #
Congratulations on your release! I am eager to read both Ravishing in Red and Provocative in Pearls, and the excerpt for Provocative really whet my appetite for the book.
Virginia on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:12 pm #
The title is what usually catchs my eye and gets me to pick up a book to see what is about.
I do have LOTS of books with Duke in the title…and I named my dog Duke so there must be some truth to that.
Raving in Red and Provocative in Pearls seem like great titles to me.
Stonehawk on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:16 pm #
Usually when I pick a book I’m more attracted to the cover picture and how large the author’s name is blared on the cover. I don’t remember when I picked a book by a title. I think it was something to do with one of the Goddesses’s books here that caused me to buy the book judging by its title. I’m not sure.
Emily Bryan on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:18 pm #
Madeline, the rest of what you write is so incredible, if you didn’t suck at titles you’d have no faults at all. And we all know a perfect person hasn’t a friend in the world! LOL!
Seriously, I love your work. Your prose absolutely sings.
Rushing out to get my copy of PiP,
Emily
evlqn on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:22 pm #
I often buy books or at least look at them because of the title, notably Michele Bardsley’s books about Broken Heart, Okla. from the first book I was hooked. I love Lori’s titles also. If a book has wolf, dragon or vampire in the title I will check it out because I love those types of books with the exception of Anne Rice’s books. I hate her books so I don’t even try anymore.
Sandra Hill is another author that has titles that I love. Rachel what does a Rachel Gibson title sound like?? If I see your name on the book I’m going to check it out, I don’t care what the title is even if the title were “Book One of Four”.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:25 pm #
Karen R and Rachel G, we can start a title rejection support group. I’m waiting for Sabrina to come on and say, hey guys, I always get my titles on the covers.
Michelle B, That does sound like a cool title. Didn’t deliver, I gather. Not good when the title is the most interesting part of the book.
Gale allure, How cool that your DH says that to you, lol. (But I think I’ ve been better off with them not using my titles. Really.)
Crystal, it is good to know that all that time was worth it. Thanks!
Gannon, yeah, I find those plays on well known titles catchy. I think they work best for certain kinds of books. I would not expect a dark, angsty book to have one.
Amy, that is fascinating. 2 now for wicked being a good word (Note to self. . . .)
kj coker, that is so cool that you checked out my book just on the title and it was your first romance. That title had been in the story for the hero, but I had not titled the book that because I assumed it was too long. My publisher decided it was a good title and said they’d fit it on the cover. Now some titles like my Easterbrook and Sabrina’s new one have those longer titles and no one thinks twice.
Claudia Dain on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:26 pm #
You echoed my procedure perfectly, Madeline. I have no idea what makes a good title or a good cover, but I know they are essential and so I bow to the masters (which I assume are in the marketing department).
I have definitely been drawn to a book simply on its title. Of course, I can’t remember a single example now, but believe me, it did happen!
The weirdest title, the one that had nothing to do with the book, was Johanna Lindsay’s DEFY NOT THE HEART. There was nothing about defying hearts in the book. The very construction of the title didn’t match anything in the book. However, it did have Fabio on the original cover, so it “worked.” LOL
Nicole Jordan on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:34 pm #
Adore all those titles, Madeline! And I’m headed to B&N in minute. Can’t wait to read PIP. Ravishing was wonderful!
Donna Wise on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:38 pm #
I might pick up a book based on the title and read the back and chose to purchase it based on the description. I don’t think I’d chose a book just because “Duke” is in the title, but, oddly enough, I have purchased books just because “Laird” was in the title!! I do have a question…Who writes the blurb on the back? Is it EVER written by the author? I ‘ve recently read 2 books that I don’t believe the person who wrote the blurb on the back had read the book or even talked to somenone who had!!!!!
Kat on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:50 pm #
Yay Madeline! I haven’t read Ravishing yet, so I need to get that one and get on the ball.
I usually gravitate toward historicals with “titles” in the title. The other thing that really gets me is Highlanders — like Karen Marie Moning’s set. Sinful nicknames in the title don’t hurt either since the title and the cover are the first thing I see when I pick up a book.
After that, I can’t stand when too little or way too much is given in the blurb or if the blurb is written by the author in first person, especially if it’s about what they “intended” to do in the book and not about what’s actually in the book. Give it up, it’s not a essay.
Sorry for the rant, Congrats again, Madeline!
Suzanne Enoch on 23 Feb 2010 at 12:55 pm #
Oh, Madeline, I know what you mean about titles! I want something that reflects the story, marketing wants something that’ll sell, editorial wants something that’ll ‘pop’…it never ends. I’m at about 40% for coming up with my titles, thought I still never know which one will pass muster. I did title my May book, A LADY’S GUIDE TO IMPROPER BEHAVIOR.
And the earlier I have a title, the better I like it, so I can try to tie it into the story somehow.
Sabrina Jeffries on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:13 pm #
I like all the titles for your new series, Madeline. They’re fresh and different.
I suck at titles. I mean, once in a while, I have a moment of brilliance (Let Sleeping Rogues Lie was mine), but most of them are my brilliant editor’s (she came up with Only a Duke Will Do, Wed Him Before You Bed Him, and the Truth about Lord Stoneville, all of which I loved). Like you, I’d just as soon send in a mss. that says (Title to Come) and let them choose. One time I did a contest on my website. I submitted 150 reader titles, 100 of my own titles, and their brilliant decision was to choose none of those for …. A Dangerous Love. Wow. Zingy. Sometimes I don’t know what’s going on up there.
But my editor is great at titles usually, so I just let her have at it.
And yes, my experience is that “duke” in the title is a sure thing. But I’ve only had it once, so there you go.
Brenda B. Hill on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:22 pm #
Hi Madeline,
Titles do catch my attention but also the cover and back page help me decide if I want to go further. If I like the title, cover and back pg I will read Chapter 1 and if I can get into the book with 1st chapter I buy. A catchey title and the cover draw your eyes to the book. But I don’t think they actually sell the book. The back pg and reading the 1st chapter lets you know if this is a book you want to read. I have added you to my new author list and to buy list.
Thanks for today.
Tal on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:26 pm #
I already have Pearls!! So far I LOVE it!!! Madeline I wanted to know about Castleford, did you decide to write for him or not (no pressure, but you HAVE too!!) LOl… he could be your baddest hero yet..love him.. Tal
Stephanie P on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:34 pm #
I have always been in awe of the people who develop some of these clever titles. My mind just does not function in that capacity. I finished Ravishing in Red last night and I must say I have not looked foward to a series since the Dueling Society set came out. That is my all time favorite. From the Seducer to the Romantic it was so entertaining and intelligent. This one is very much on the same level. I love this first edition and now have the second book in my hand. Congratulations on another great success.
Julie on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:35 pm #
Congratulations upon your new release! The title “Provocative in Pearls” definitely gets my interest. “Sinful in Satin” and “Dangerous in Diamonds” are Great titles too!
You wrote :I used to pick the title when I started writing a book, so those later changes bugged me at first. I had lived with that title for months. It was my book’s name. It felt weird to see it with another name attached to it…By about my fourth book I stopped thinking up titles until after the book was written, so I wouldn’t bond with it too much. I would have skipped it all together, but I had to put something on that cover sheet.
Julie on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:38 pm #
Continued …
I feel your pain , Madeline . I like to think that I am the kind of person who is good at things like titles … However , my seems to husband disagree. I write: I used to pick the name when I started feeling pregnant , so those later changes bugged me at first. I had lived with that name for months. It was my baby’s name. It felt weird to see it with another name attached to it…By about my third book … err kid … I stopped thinking up titles until after the baby was born, so I wouldn’t bond with it too much. I would have skipped it all together, but I had to put something on that cover sheet, aka that birth certificate.
My oldest daughter remanded Unnamed for two days after her birth. My DH insisted that she could not have the same name as any girl he had dated. Ever. My response was “OMG! That just leaves boy’s names. You‘re not naming the poor little thing Ralph!” He laughed, I was not amused. In the end I couldn’t decide which name I liked best. So I let him have the final say in picking all of our children’s names.
And for the record, my two DD’s are named Renee & Erin. Girl names that could be boy names too!
Freshechelle on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:39 pm #
I had friends who worked at publishing house. They whined about sitting in meetings about a mystery writer’s last release, analyzing why the book tanked. Since they were the low on the food chain, they were furious that everyone tried to blame the release strategy, the title, the art work, the blurbs, etc. My friends were adamant it was the content but that was never even part of the discussion. Without the substance, there’s not much else.
Madeline, R in R was a unique story that was so well written. I’m tempted to leave my desk and go buy it.
Sabrina, Stoneville rocked my world too. Thanks for keeping me entertained ladies.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:40 pm #
Angela, those words you respond to are used a lot in titles. I do think that the publishers have a list that they have researched, and those are on it. For a reason!
ZedAitch, yes, I think any title with a Jane Austen hook would sell now. There is a publisher—Sourcebooks–that has made those books a niche in its line. Jane Austen connections are big.
Pesky, I found your description of the appeal of Harlequin books to you very interesting.
Anne, interesting about how you respond to color. I think that is why so many covers are going monochromatic, though. Publishers have figured out that it is the color that is catching the eye, not the image represented, maybe?
Julia and Sabrina, it is very reassuring to know that I am not alone in this. I have always felt inadequate about titles. I guess that is because the writers who come up with good ones are vocal about it, and I just figured all writers except me were.
Sabrina Jeffries on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:41 pm #
Oh, and actually, while I am in deadline hell, the main reason I wasn’t online until now is I was getting my hair done. *G* Thought about moving the appt. until after deadline, but then I forgot to do it in enough time, so I just decided, “what the hell” and went. Now I feel pretty. And swamped. *G*
And aren’t you happy to hear that my titles suck, too? Fortunately, my editor is brilliant. Actually, I guess I’m not horrible at titles, because they’ve kept 11 out of 18 of my titles, but none of them are the brilliant ones. In some cases (like A Dangerous Love), I just went with it and titled the next book A Notorious Love. Yeah, real zingy. These are mine (I think–my memory is faulty):
The Pirate Lord, The Forbidden Lord, The Dangerous Lord, A Notorious Love, After the Abduction, In the Prince’s Bed, To Pleasure a Prince, One Night with a Prince (or my editor’s–can’t remember), Never Seduce a Scoundrel, Beware a Scot’s Revenge, Let Sleeping Rogues Lie, Don’t Bargain with the Devil. Some are good, but most are generic. It’s my editor who comes up with the catchy ones.
chey on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:41 pm #
If the title is a play on words, I might pick it up and read the blurb. I can’t think of any titles that were “perfect” for the book. I find that most romance titles don’t portray the book accurately.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:43 pm #
Amber Leigh, what about a cover will get you to buy pretty much on that alone? Anything specific? Or they just grab you or don’t?
Freshechelle, in thinking about my pre-writing days, when I bought almost entirely on impulse, I remember one book I did not buy because of the cover. I was all set to, then I opened the front cover to the step back and it just killed the sale for me. Of course, I also remember buying one book just to own the cover. It was Christina Dodd’s Once a Knight. Hubba Hubba male model on the front, looking like the coolest sexiest knight who ever lived. still have that cover here somewhere. . . .
Sabrina Jeffries on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:44 pm #
P.S. Can’t wait to get the book! But I may have to order it online since, well, I AM in deadline hell. And I have GOT to get to it!
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:53 pm #
Donna, I had to answer the who writes the blurb on the back question. Sometimes it is the editor. Some big publishers have whole departments to do that. Often, in those cases, they are working off a synopsis and depending on whether the author stuck to that outline or not, or what seems to be emphasized in it, the blurb can get really off track. Often, but not always, it is passed by the author for “approval” or comments and often, but not always, the author can point out errors, and even offer something in its place.
AS for Laird, oh yes, that is a buy word with lots of readers. A sort of funny story. I had one medieval that took place in Scotland. I call it my Scottish story. Ok, it was the border lands and the heroes were not Scot, but still—- the cover had no indication of this. None. A whole army of readers who buy stories with Scottish settings, and not a single bit of plaid or anything to let them know. (It was Lord of a Thousand Nights, by the way).
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:55 pm #
Sabrina, I’m in deadline mode too. (but I got an extension. . .
Hey, I got sick. And there were the holidays. And I’m heading out of town. And, and. . . . and the next book has enough slack time to allow it, while this one had none at all at first (but does now 
Jane on 23 Feb 2010 at 1:56 pm #
I do like titles with Duke in them. There are many category romances that have ridiculous titles, but that doesn’t stop me from picking them up. These kind of titles make it easier for you to determine if you like that kind of book with words like tycoon, pregnant, mistress, billionaire and secret.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 2:06 pm #
Brenna, I learned about the downside of similar titles really early, and have asked that my series never start with the same word for all of the books. When my first books were published, and they all three started with “By”, I met readers who got confused. Even though they had different colors on the cover, etc. A bookseller told me that she always has to walk some readers through which book in a series they had already read if the titles are too close. So after that I would request my publisher not do that. It was very very common about ten years ago to do it though.
Linda Henderson, do you have favorite Presents authors? And recs? Or do you read all of them? That line fascinates me.
Julie, yeah, duke’s are popular. I know it, so the fact I have never written one is just my ornery side not wanting to do what others do. But that will change soon. Like in about a year
Chellyreads, thank you for your contribution. These reader perspectives are very interesting to me.
Maureen, they get all jumbled up for me too.
Barbara Elness on 23 Feb 2010 at 2:11 pm #
I do like the word Duke in a title, but how about Duchess? I loved Eloisa James’ series – Desperate Duchesses. Seriously, I buy the book for what it’s about, not the title. I like the related titles that are a play on words, or that tie a series together – they’re fun – but that isn’t why I’d buy the book. The same with the cover. It might get me to pick up the book, but ultimately, the description of the book is what sells me – as well as these days, the buzz I’ve heard about it around the internet!
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 2:11 pm #
jcp, I guess if one goes on Amazon finding identical titles can happen a lot. There isn’t any real effort to avoid it if the title was used some years ago in particular. This was one of those astonishing discoveries on my part. So I know that some of my titles were used previously, for example, and some have been used since. I can see how it might annoy a reader doing any kind of search.
gwynlyn, you are so sweet. And Daphne fascinates me too. She needs some man to do some serious melting and shaking up, I think. Hmmmmm
Laurie, I wonder what makes a title forgetable or memorable. Something I am going to ponder a bit, after checking out some titles. I agree that the K Cole title you mentioned knocked one out of the park.
evlqn on 23 Feb 2010 at 3:04 pm #
Millionaire, billionaire, pregnant, secret or mistress are generally catch phrases that say I won’t really enjoy it, I don’t know why but that’s the way it is.
As for cover art a dragon or wolf on it will get me to look, I will read a couple of pages and if it flows for me I will probably buy it; otherwise I will straighten up the area, face the books and go on.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 3:34 pm #
Carol, Lisa K’s titles for that series were great. But then she is such a fantastic writer that I think the titles will never have a big impact for her anymore.
Cassie, what a nice post! And By Design was one of my favorite stories too. It was hard to write, there were sections that were so emotionally intense, but I just loved Rhys.
Janae, thanks! I’m really pleased with the covers too. Writers sort of hold their breaths waiting to see what teh publisher comes up with when it comes to covers. Mine arrived and it was a long, happy exhale.
Rosie, I hope you enjoy them!
Virginia, well, if you named him duke, you must really like those dukes. It would be nice to have one that doesn’t have four paws, huh?
Stonehawk, even one buy like that means a great title can make a difference, I think. This had been interesting to learn today.
cories on 23 Feb 2010 at 3:40 pm #
Many times I would pick up a book by the title alone since only the spine is showing. I do roll my eyes at any title with Millionaire, Billionaire, Duke, Prince, etc. but I’d read the back of the book anyway, just to check if the story may be interesting despite the title. I generally don’t chose a book by the cover art unless there’s an interesting dog on it.
Mostly I chose books by the author, so I’ll be sure to pick up “Provocative in Pearls”.
cories on 23 Feb 2010 at 3:46 pm #
Another reason I like”Provocative in Pearls” is that I’m a sucker for alliteration.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 3:57 pm #
evlyn, Sandra Hill does have great titles. You even get a sense of her voice from them. They are all very Sandra Hill, if you know what I mean. I wonder if she comes up with them all herself. I will have to ask.
Emily B, thank you (blush)
Claudia, I think romance went through a phase of “high falutin’” titles like that. A title like that is sort of neutral for me because it really doesn’t say much.
Thanks, Nicole!
MizMacgyver on 23 Feb 2010 at 3:57 pm #
I don’t think I have ever bought a book just on the title although a title will catch my eye, I am another one that loves highlanders so that will get my attention in a hurry.
Having Duke in the title doesn’t sell it for me either. The title Mr.Cavendish I Presume got my attention though.
I let one of your books slip by me, Dianna is losing it obviously, I usually have them on pre-order but I missed PIP, that will be remedied soon enough I promise.
I really liked Sabrina’s title of Let Sleeping Rogues Lie. That was a very clever title and I think it matched the book well.
Pamela on 23 Feb 2010 at 4:11 pm #
Hi, I always look at books with Duke in the title as I know that they will always be a historical romance because no one ever writes a book about a modern day Duke….or do they? I certainly haven’t found one yet! I can’t wait to read this new series.
Judy F on 23 Feb 2010 at 4:34 pm #
Congrats on the new release. I hope it does really well for you.
I am drawn sometimes to titles. THen read the blurb to see what its about. Line Of scrimmage by Marie Force and Victoria Dahl’s contempts had me picking them up from the title. A bad title wouldn’t turn me off esp if its an author I read.
I did win a title contest once for the bad boy line of Brava’s. Mine was Bad Boys Next Exit. LOL
Chelsea B. on 23 Feb 2010 at 4:44 pm #
Publishers consider titles a crucial marketing tool. Have you ever been drawn to a book by its title? Oh, sure! There was one book I swar, the title was written in big pink sparkly letters! You couldn’t NOT notice that thing!
Can you think of a book title that you thought was perfect for the book? Can you think of one that made no sense? Pride and Prejudice I always thought was perfect! Not sure about one that isn’t….
Is there anything about the way romances are titled that bugs you? Sometimes.
I have heard that the word Duke in a title helps sell an historical romance. Are you attracted to Duke books? LOL not really! Though I have noticed allot of Historical Romances with Duke in it now that you mention it
Are you the kind of person who is good at things like titles? If so, can I adopt you? Sure LOL. I’ll help as best I can
Honey on 23 Feb 2010 at 4:55 pm #
I simply “scan” the new titles every Tuesday for my favorite authors. This is my first approach to finding great books and a lovely afternoon with my tea pot! I try to go to my favorite authors webb sites to see what is coming soon so that I have some idea of what to look for. Also, I love getting authors hints on other authors books. You, I takes a good writer to know a good writer.
Pesky on 23 Feb 2010 at 5:16 pm #
Hmmmm…is that an interesting in an “I’m going to contemplate that” way or interesting in an “if I back away slowly and don’t make any sudden moves she might not notice me” kinda way?
Deborah Schneider on 23 Feb 2010 at 5:17 pm #
I guess I’ve been very lucky, because both books I’ve published have used my origional titles. I had no idea it worked differently. The word “Duke” wouldn’t entice me, but then again I prefer Americana romance and look for those books mostly on-line by subject. Titles are not as important as descriptions, and again, I look at review sites and the authors website for descriptions and excerpts.
Stacey Ellis on 23 Feb 2010 at 5:28 pm #
Hi Madeline, I never look at the title to be honest. Covers sometimes appeal but I always buy for authors. There are 4-5 extremely talented authors including yourself that I HAVE to have!!! regardless…and I agree witht the lady who said she’d buy “Maudlin in Mud” from you…you’re awesome!! I do have a secret though that I’ve only just admitted to myself…I discovered I am a little biased to my heroes having a title…any title or the possibility of someone dying during the book or after so my hero gains a title…what a snob I am!!!! There’s nothing wrong with an honest hard working hero but….mmm…lol… I loved “Ravishing in Red”…literally drooled through it and wait with baited breathe for Provocative in Pearls…I even broke my number one rule and read the excerpt in the back of Ravishing…bring it on I say!!!
nancyg on 23 Feb 2010 at 5:39 pm #
Madeline:
I read some of the Presents line – if you like your heroes uber-Alpha male, sheiks, or Mediterranean (Italian, Greek, etc.) – that’s the line for you. and they’re quick – 2-3 hour reads.
I’ve found you can’t go wrong with anything by Lucy Monroe or Jane Porter in that line.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 5:43 pm #
Pesky, it was a hmmmm, I’m gonna think about that. There is a lot about that line that I think is appealing, but I don’t think I could write something with no twists and turns. I know that is one of the characteristics, but it was never clear if that was the writers or the editors. I am thinking from what you said that it is expected, so the editors make sure it is that way. (?) Just thinking, as I said
nancyg, thanks for the recs.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 5:43 pm #
I’ll be back in a while, guys. I have to make dinner.
E.R. on 23 Feb 2010 at 5:59 pm #
I have remember perusing the romance section in a bookstore and stopping at Feehan’s DARK PRINCE. Piqued, I read the book blurb and decided to buy the book. Never regretted it. I thought the title fit the book and it fits, since Mikhail IS the Prince of his people.
Right now I can’t think of any book whose title didn’t fit it, but I feel there are those few books that does have titles that doesn’t make sence. There are and they are out there.
Sometimes, I find that romance titles can be overused. I can’t think of it right now, but I do have a feeling some titles are overused.
I’m not attracted to the DUKE books. Like I said, some words/titles are overused, and I do find the DUKE word overused.
I’m a person who can come up with some good titles, but not THAT good.
colinfirthfan on 23 Feb 2010 at 6:30 pm #
I like good titles. I think they do draw you to a book but
I hate Harlequin Presents titles but I still read the books.
The Harlequin title I hate the most: Willingly Bedded, Forcibley Wedded.
*shudder*
I didn’t read through the other comments as yet so someone might’ve come up with a worse one.
E.R. on 23 Feb 2010 at 6:38 pm #
Also, other people made a point that they buy the books because of the authors, not the title. I am one of those people. And if the blurbs are interesting, then I’m all for it. It helps me find new authors to read.
I will admit that the titles for your new series are very interesting. RAVISHIN IN RED and PROVOCATIVE IN PEARLS. Definitely something that caughts the eye. Keep up the good work, Madeline!
Angelique on 23 Feb 2010 at 6:38 pm #
Most of the time I’m buying books from authors I already know that I like, so titles aren’t horribly important to me. It’s when I’m browsing for books without a specific author in mind that a title will stand out to me. A good title (or sometimes an extremely cheesy title!), along with a pretty/interesting cover, will catch my attention and then I’ll read the back cover to see if I want to buy it. I don’t ever buy books based solely on the title though. I always read the back cover and, if available, the first page excerpt before deciding to buy. So I guess title is important in that it will make me look at a book I may not have noticed before.
Brenna on 23 Feb 2010 at 6:52 pm #
Madeline,
I can see the problem with having your first books all start with “By”, but it sure didn’t stop me from falling in love with those books. I’ve told you before how much I loved By Arrangement, in particular. Based on those books and many that I’ve read since, you’re one of those authors whose books I’ll buy regardless of title, cover art or blurb.
willaful on 23 Feb 2010 at 7:24 pm #
I don’t pay that much attention to titles, pretty much expecting them to be stupid and generic these days. That said, I do appreciate it when the title does turn out to have actual relevance to the story, such as with The Rules of Seduction.
Whenever I think of bad titles, I think of Jo Goodman. Wonderful writer, have many of her books on my keeper shelf, but she always seems to wind up with the stupidest version of whatever the current trend in titles is, to the point that her backlist sounds more like a parody than reality. Wild Sweet Ecstacy. Crystal Pasion. More recently If His Kiss is Wicked. WTH? I guess we should consider ourselves lucky it wasn’t If The Duke’s Kiss is Wicked.
Stacey Ellis on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:12 pm #
lol..Madeline I was just passing my groaning bookshelf and some titles caught my eye after blogging here with you…you mentioned that you avoid similar titles after the “by” series…What happened with the seducer series then as they are “The”!! lol – great series by the way. Is it just me or do Dukes in historials always seem the most stubborn to bring to heal!?..Duke in a title wouldn’t entice me to buy a book that wasn’t one of my fav authors…though maybe a little tartan on the cover might just have me glance at the back blurb…
Pesky on 23 Feb 2010 at 8:52 pm #
Reading is like food, sometimes you want a sophisticated meal with a melange of tastes and smells that unfold in a glorious explosion on your tastebuds and sometimes you just want a grill cheese sandwich.
In case you were wondering, you’re the sophisticated meal.
Lisa G on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:35 pm #
Congrats on your new release! I recently saw a title which had the word “Pregnant” in it. Totally turned me off. I thought it was tacky. I have never been effected by a title before.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 9:48 pm #
Sorry I was incommunicado for a few hours, guys. Family stuff.
Kat, Highlanders have such deveoted fans. I wonder why? Could it be those great bods? That adorable accent. —I dont’ think I’ve read first person blurbs in romance. Is this becoming more common? So it is like a little note from the author then. I don’t think I’d like that either. I really would not like having to write those!
Suzie, hey, at 40% you are doing really well. I also want the title early, so I can work with it. Then maybe I can make sure it makes some sense.
Gee, Sabrina, I really expected to learn that you were great with titles. I don’t feel so bad now since it seems all of the goddesses have some level of deficiency in this.
Brenda H, yeah, I agree that the package alone can’t sell me a book either. But it does help with that first step so I look closer, like you do it.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 10:00 pm #
Tal—:) Oh, he will get a story. I have already written some of the dialogue. It just came to me one day so I jotted it down. And he is the baddest, even badder than Ewan. Although I had a reader write to scold just a little about how bad he is when we first meet him in Ravishing in Red.
Stephanie P, I’m so glad you liked RiR so much!
Julie, your story about the belated naming of your daughter reminded me how when I was pregnant with my first, we picked the boy’s name but not the girl’s. I was in labor and no girl’s name yet. Good thing it was a boy, I guess.
Well, Freshechelle, when our books don’t sell well, we sure hope they are blaming the package and themselves. We sure don’t want them blaming us!
chey, I think titles just have a life of their own most times. Many of them really don’t say much, if you think about it. They just sort of evoke a type of book.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 10:18 pm #
Jane, there is a whole group who think that genre book covers should have covers that make it very clear what is inside the book. They are called booksellers. They keep saying this. Don’t get cute, make it clear it is a romance or whatever. Like in romance, lost of people don’t like clinch covers but the truth is they work, which is why they are still around.
Barbara E, I don’t think duchess would work like duke. It should. There is nothing wrong with duchess but I just don’t think publishers see it as the same “sure thing.”
OMG, cories, you raise a major point. If the book is shelved spine out, all you have is the title. It has to do it all, doesn’t it? Convey it is an historical, give a sense of the story–no pics, just those letters. Ok, now I’m intimidated and will probably be even worse at titles.
MisMacgyver, hello! Julia Q has so many good titles like that. I think she comes up with them herself too. sigh.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 10:23 pm #
Aw, Pesky, that is sweet.
Stacey, The doesn’t count! It just is not a real word in titles. Really
Pamela, Now, that is true. “Duke” will make it very clear it is an historical. Spine out comes up again. If that is all you have, Duke says a lot.
Judy F, I think there are some really cool titles in contemps, like you mentioned.
Chelsea B, Hmmm, I think sparkly letters is cheating! Any of my discarded titles would have worked in sparkly.
Honey, The way you describe your tea and title/book choosing sounds so wonderful. Like a nice, relaxed moseying through the options.
Madeline Hunter on 23 Feb 2010 at 10:41 pm #
E.R. Dark Prince was a great title. To the point, and it evoked the whole approach of the book. It also kind of alerted the paranormal fans that it was a book for them, I think.
colinfirthfan, lots of people have great fun with Presents titles. Some like the one you mention are over the top. But they work! At least they don’t seem to be hurting. That line is kicking ass, and from all the readers posting here who read them I can see why. I am intrigued. I’ve read some, but I’m going to read some more of them.
Angelique, now this is valuable. The cheesy factor. Cheesy titles catch your eye because they stand out, right. But you do check them out, out of curiosity. Which means they work. I’m thinking I really should use Maudlin in Mud!
willaful, blame her editor. Really, it is all the editor’s fault, LOL.
Lisa G, thank you! And also for the example of a turn off in a title.
Patricia Barraclough on 24 Feb 2010 at 12:01 am #
Titles are important. They can tie a series together, like the titles in your current series. I like the title to tell something about the story. Overblown or cheesy titles are a turn-off. There is a difference between cheesy and fun & catchy. The title must go hand in hand with the cover art.
I still think authors should have more input. After all, who knows the story and characters better.
Brenna on 24 Feb 2010 at 12:29 pm #
I do find that overblown or ridiculous titles are off-putting. For example, “Lord of A Thousand Nights” is one of my least favorites – especially because it seems to be the kind of thing that was written into the book rather than coming from the story. I am not drawn particularly to Dukes, and really enjoy the titles for Sherry Thomas’s novels – “Private Arrangements” and “Not Quite A Husband” especially, because they aren’t slap-in-the-face obviously romance titles. Similarly, I appreciated the “By Arrangement” and “By Design” series from your past work.
That said, I’ll buy a bad title if it’s from a good author. I try not to judge too much by the cover, you know.
Shu on 24 Feb 2010 at 4:18 pm #
I like simple titles also, and agree that titles are important. I remember I bought my first romance (The Bride by Julie Garwood) because the title caught my eye. I don’t really like overblown titles such as Lord So-and-so’s Affair with the Mistress. I guess I don’t like titles that are too “evident”? I don’t want the story in the title – that’s for me to discover. But if the title belongs to an author that’s already an auto-buy for me, then I will get the book regardless.
Cassie on 24 Feb 2010 at 11:44 pm #
Ohhh yes, Madeline, By Design was extremely emotional. When Joan is leaving the castle and Rhys steps up to fight for her. Wow!!!!! And the part where they part ways, and when she turns around and he’s no longer there. I could feel her desperation and I ached with her. I don’t think I have ever been so lost in a book the way I was with that one. So full of poignant, raw emotion. That story was just so wonderfully perfect that it’s surprising that you had so much trouble writing it. You did a magnificent job though!!
Your medieval heroes are some of the best heroes I have ever read. I really like Addis too. His story, too, made me cry. When he got the documents to release Moira and were about to part ways when he asked her to stay with him, but she left anyway. The emotion between the two was just unbearable. ::sigh:: That’s the good stuff. :0)
Do you think you will write another medieval series, Madeline? Please say you will!!
Krista Bee on 25 Feb 2010 at 7:48 pm #
I hardly ever pick a book by the title, tho I know I’m probably not in the majority. First and foremost I pick a book by the author. If there isn’t a new book by an author I’m familiar with, I’ll then go to the blurb on the back. Very rarely does a cover sway me, although I do appreciate the wonderful artistry of some of them. It never hurts to have a handsome hottie either.
But usually that isn’t something I see until I get home and read the book. It’s nice to put a face to the name, if I like the face. If not, I just dig into my imagination for a suitable one.
I had always assumed that the author was the creator of the titles. Though it makes sense that it isn’t always so. Thanks for the insight. I already read the book and loved it. Cheers!
Prunella on 02 Mar 2010 at 2:58 pm #
I tend to avoid the duke ones, unless it’s part of a series , which it always is. I like fun titles. Or titles I don’t need to have a cloth book cover. I think that is how I started reading Susan Phillips, respectable cover and fun title. I don’t usually read modern romance .